Jordan Peterson – On Social Justice And Truth

Good afternoon my dear readers,

I want to share with you all an amazing podcast interview between Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson, a Canadian clinical psychologist, cultural critic, and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. Jordan Peterson made the news this year for his “controversial” critiques against political correctness, postmodernism feminism, category bashing (e.g. white privilege) and outrage over cultural appropriation.

First, this is his message to millennials who are looking to change the world: “Change yourself first”

This 3 hour discussion was one of the most elucidating talks I’ve heard in my short life across a span of topics ranging from post-modernism, classic male dominance hierarchies, political correctness, good & evil, the authoritarian left and social justice warriors, kekistan, operating in a world of chaos, finding the meaning in life for men/women, universal basic income, Donald Trump’s lies vs. Hillary Clinton’s lies, PTSD, Freud and Jung and realizing our capacity for evil. 

The following passage(s) resonated most strongly with me, and I’m paraphrasing the conversation in the most coherent way possible. Before I start, I note that I am a cis-gender male who embraces climbing the dominance hierarchy, and all the shit that comes with it. I reject political and social orthodoxy and absolutism from both the left and right when it conflicts with science, intellectualism, and the hard-fought principles of humanism, individualism, and the enlightenment.

Unlike chimps, human females are choosy about their mating partners. Alpha chimps pass on their genes because they dominate and push off lesser chimps. In the 6 million years since humans split from chimps genetically, we have created our own male dominance hierarchy (DH) mediated by FEMALES but chosen by males who push those with power, influence or leadership to the top, who then pass on their genes with the females who select them.

As humans, we are optimized to live in tribes of up to 100 to 250 people (Dunbar’s number). That number is big enough where climbing to the top of the hierarchy feels important, but small enough where it is achievable, compared to the entire world/civilization.

On average, we have twice as many female ancestors than we do males ones because females on average reproduce once, and males on average reproduce twice or not at all. Men are well adapted to both accepting the presence of the hierarchy and learning how to climb it so that he can leave a genetic contribution. Over time, our observation of the evolution of the DH spawns hero mythologies- the hero is the man who kills the snake, who slays the dragon and gets the gold to bring back to the village. He is also mostly likely to find and claim the virgin in this mythology.  The classic male dominance hierarchy is a mechanism that selects heroes and breeds them, and since we tell stories about heroes, the classic dominance hierarchy is as much as cultural and societal narrative as it is a form of genetic and sexual selection. The societal narrative for the description of people as admirable or not admirable evolves into categories from which we derive good and evil – we can then imagine the perfect person. The meta-admirable is a hero, a religious figure, a messiah.

Men compete because women like winners, and hetero males are shamed for that in a post modern society. Post modernists reject the classic male structures because they realize that they can’t compete in this hierarchy. They compete as allies, which is why “male feminists” (a crude catch-all that doesn’t encompass the complexity of modern male/female relationship dynamics) are still seen as “creepy/sneaky”, particularly when they are discriminatory towards classic male behavior.

0:00 – Jordan has been denied a grant for the first time in his academic career
2:15 – When Jordan did a speech at McMaster University
13:00 – The Gender Unicorn
23:50 – Joe asks Jordan if he has any issues with a person who is Transgender
31:15 – Jordan references Jacques Derrida
38:19 – Jordan depicts the ‘power-game’ mentality adopted by post-modernists. Context from 36:40
41:00 – Jordan depicts post-modernists using the principle of the meme as an analogy 46:00 – The capacity for malevolence in people and post-traumatic stress
49:39 – Phallogocentrism and ‘mansplaining’
56:00 – One of the precursors of a genocidal state
1:00:00 – ‘Plos 1’. Context from 57:00
1:14:00 – Special Ops soldiers (Rangers / Seals) who are less likely to experience PTSD due to being pro-active. Context from 1:12:54
1:20:50 – Jordan references psychedelics. Partially contextualizes => 1:23:30 – The male dominance hierarchy
1:27:25 – Societal heroes spawning out of the dominance hierarchy
1:28:45 – Postmodern males climbing the dominance hierarchy
1:31:11 – Kekistan
1:37:14 – Operating in a world of chaos
1:39:55 – Joe tells Jordan they “fucked with the wrong dude”
1:41:30 – Jordan explains why you should clean your room
1:48:00 – Freud and Jung (who is “truly terrifying”) and realizing your capacity for evil 1:50:30 – Jordan tells Joe he is a monster, Joe says he thinks like a demon
1:53:00 – Jordan and Joe legitimize each other
1:54:30 – Why Jordan doesn’t consider himself an intellectual
1:58:10 – Jordan explains one of Northrop Frye’s interpretations regarding the Bible. Context from 1:57:30
2:04:15 – Jordan is trying to (exasperatedly) resurrect the dormant Logos, and it is mostly with men
2:05:10 – Current superhero movies and Polytheism / Marduk the Mesopotamian god 2:07:50 – Jordan talks about why his principles might be reaching more men than women 2:13:15 – Finding meaning / a method Jordan uses with people in his program / men having a purpose vs. women having a purpose
2:17:49 – How Jordan depicts hell to people in his program
2:20:00 – Jordan loses his point while talking about having a meaningful life / Comey gets fired by Trump
2:22:00 – Jordan on suffering being irreducible
2:28:30 – Joe’s story about a friend of his who was addicted to an online game (Everquest: A MMORPG)
2:31:40 – Donald Trump’s lies vs. Hillary Clinton’s lies
2:34:55 – Universal basic income
2:38:20 – The problems with creative people. Context from 2:37:40
2:40:20 – ASAT camouflage
2:47:30 – Jordan talks about his life since attracting unwanted attention from the University
2:52:00 – Jordan suggests that Joe could be the most powerful interviewer on the planet


Did you guys enjoy the podcast? What stood out most to you? Let’s discuss!